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Skia Aumer
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Posted - 2016.06.10 13:44:16 -
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CyberRaver wrote:Carriers wwere a free lunch before patch, they arent now, thats basicly it
Tishu guy defends ratting carriers. Priceless. |
Skia Aumer
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Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2016.06.10 13:56:10 -
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CCP Larrikin wrote:Force Auxiliaries- Triage Mode now gives ECM Immunity
Dreadnoughts- Siege Mode now gives ECM Immunity
What is the reasoning behind this?
I mean, I dont mind it one way or another, I just dont understand what does it change? |
Skia Aumer
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2016.06.10 14:19:31 -
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Cala Wrynn wrote:I'm happy with the dread and fax ecm immunity, being jammed in your dread by a set of ec-300's is pretty devastating...
And being jammed by the same EC-300 in a freaking Titan is not a big deal? |
Skia Aumer
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Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2016.06.10 16:05:31 -
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Sister Bliss wrote:I can guarantee your customer satisfaction will increase and the time you need to spend on managing these threads will decrease if you invested more in some change management best practice.
Please, have my babies! Ehm... I mean, is Init recruiting? |
Skia Aumer
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Posted - 2016.06.10 17:46:05 -
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Omfala Brinalle wrote:P.S.Other people have the same opinion ....
Speak for yourself, alright?
I dont think there should be any special case with NSA switching off SeBos or something like that. I also dont think a carrier should insta-lock and kill frigates and destroyers. And overall, I feel like changes to NSA are pretty solid. |
Skia Aumer
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Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2016.06.10 20:43:18 -
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Zenafar wrote:omg can't you just forbid using SB while NSA is active?
So no more 2500 scanres and screw campers with ****** gate fits
Chimera with NSA has 750 mm scan res.
Incursus has 750 mm too.
Do you think it's fine? |
Skia Aumer
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2016.06.15 17:09:47 -
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NaK'Lin wrote:Can we reconnect to our fighters again after abandoning them?
+1
I was really upset when accidentally docked my carrier while fighters were 50+ km away. Was playing on TQ, not SiSi, so took a while to scoop them all. |
Skia Aumer
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2016.06.15 17:18:01 -
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CCP Larrikin wrote:General Light Fighters (Templar, Dragonfly, Firbolg, Einherji) have had their basic attack application stats increased and their heavy rocket salvo application & damage stats decreased
Good one. |
Skia Aumer
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Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2016.06.15 17:21:14 -
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Morrigan LeSante wrote:I'll apply more damage to *any* subcap using a long ranger fighter bomber (Antaeus etc) than I will using a light fighters (Firbolg) salvo.
I'm 100% serious.
Stat | Fibo | Light fighter
expl rad | 330 | 350
expl vel | 110 | 100
Is that bad? |
Skia Aumer
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2016.06.15 17:34:32 -
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Morrigan LeSante wrote:Skia Aumer wrote:Morrigan LeSante wrote:I'll apply more damage to *any* subcap using a long ranger fighter bomber (Antaeus etc) than I will using a light fighters (Firbolg) salvo.
I'm 100% serious.
Stat | Fibo | Light fighter
expl rad | 330 | 350
expl vel | 110 | 100
Is that bad? It's like a raven being better at killing frigates than a cerberus. What do you think?
I dont think raven cost like 10 cerbs. |
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Skia Aumer
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2016.06.15 17:56:26 -
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Marranar Amatin wrote:well than compare raven and caracal... a raven costs about 20 caracal and still is not better at killing frigs.
Alright, you got me. Caracal is OP!
On a serious note, if heavy fighters should be nerfed - ask CCP to nerf them, rather than use it as excuse to keep light fighters OP. |
Skia Aumer
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2016.06.15 18:09:44 -
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The only concern for me is that battleships got the short end of the stick, again. |
Skia Aumer
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2016.06.15 19:50:03 -
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Wow, the flood of tears in this thread is amazing.
1. "Dreads are so much better!"
No they are not. Dreads are stationary, carriers are mobile. Carriers can receive reps, dreads not. Dreads can be trackdised, fighters can be killed. You just cant compare them, they are different.
2. "I used to pwn in my big shiny expensive and SP-intensive ship! And now I can not, screw you CCP!"
Maybe you also dream of ye olde days when tracking titans were a thing?
3. "I want to eat battleships on breakfast!"
How long would it take for battleship pilot to understand: see carrier = run ? Not so long, I think. After that, you'll end up fighting ~swordfleets~, svipuls, bombers etc. and complain of frigate menace. |
Skia Aumer
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2016.06.15 19:58:43 -
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Cade Windstalker wrote:Or, you know, just deploy your capitals with a support fleet...
Or use support fighters. |
Skia Aumer
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Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2016.06.15 21:13:59 -
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Jessie McPewpew wrote:Skia Aumer wrote:Wow, the flood of tears in this thread is amazing.
1. "Dreads are so much better!"
No they are not. Dreads are stationary, carriers are mobile. Carriers can receive reps, dreads not. Dreads can be trackdised, fighters can be killed. You just cant compare them, they are different.
2. "I used to pwn in my big shiny expensive and SP-intensive ship! And now I can not, screw you CCP!"
Maybe you also dream of ye olde days when tracking titans were a thing?
3. "I want to eat battleships on breakfast!"
How long would it take for battleship pilot to understand: see carrier = run ? Not so long, I think. After that, you'll end up fighting ~swordfleets~, svipuls, bombers etc. and complain of frigate menace. Dreads will apply dps much better to subcaps. Their dps can't be jammed or killed easily like those on a carrier. They can tank much better. They also stand a better chance when fighting super caps unlike carriers with their puny dps and puny tank. The carrier also doesn't have a mobility advantage because it's dog slow and can't be arsed roaming with it; you are committing just as much as a dread when you bring it ongrid. TL;DR Carriers don't have a place in this game anymore. At no point in time are you fighting battleships on a regular to invest in one and you might as well get a dread with HAW. You are even more likely to use a super carrier than the new carriers.
Take a look what the other no-name guy from random alliance said about dreads. NSFW though. |
Skia Aumer
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2016.06.16 12:39:47 -
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Well I've got 35 mil EHP for shield vs 42 mil for armor. And that is not including armor bonus from Bus itself, which brings us to 40 vs 54 mil.
That doesnt mean I'm against nerfing CSE, I just dont find that argument valid. |
Skia Aumer
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Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2016.06.16 16:45:31 -
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CCP, while you're at it. Could you include "can be fitted to capitals only" line in showinfo window of CSE and capital plates? Like you did for capital prop modules. |
Skia Aumer
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2016.06.20 08:37:21 -
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Morgaine Mighthammer wrote:that said, carriers should be able to defend themselves from small vessels; should they be able to insta them? no, but they should be able to kill them withing a short amount of time, otherwise you have the bullshit of solo ceptors holding a carrier for 30mins while a fleet forms to kill it.
You can fit a couple of neuts and/or a flight of support fighters. |
Skia Aumer
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Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2016.06.20 09:47:32 -
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Do you folks really want to pigeon-hole carriers into The Role? Carrier is a hull above battleship, decent and versatile - that is the role.
As they are drone-based unlike BS, which are mostly turret-based, it may not be really obvious. But think about it: a fleet of carriers will destroy a fleet of BS, hands down. Just as easy as BS smash BC and BC wreck t1 cruisers. Carriers can fit XL neuts, which would be a royal pita for fax-machines. People keep saying carriers stand no chance vs. dreads - well, that is not true. Carrier vs. dread is a kiter vs. brawler. At point blank, dreads obviously win. But if you manage to start a fight at 100 km, dreads are doomed (granted you have enough carriers to break local tank).
A big concern for me is that battleships now have way to many natural enemies. But that's a whole nother story. |
Skia Aumer
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2016.06.23 14:09:56 -
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Crazy Vania wrote:Can a Carrier on sisi kill a single interceptor? No.
Can it force the interceptor to drop the point? Yes, after approx 60 seconds, but not using Cenobytes or Fighters or Grams, but using 2x Heavy neuts, just like any old battleship.
The reason is: I can scram whatever support drone the carrier throws at me at 13km (cenobyte range is 10 I think) and I can survive the Einrehjis by just tanking the light amount of damage they'll do before their MWD turns off and I orbit away. All the while keeping point on the carrier.
Cenobite II has 10km optimal and 5km falloff. And you're a really good ceptor pilot if you can actually do what you claim.
Crazy Vania wrote:Is this acceptable? I don't know... I don't think so?
I think it is acceptable. A good (excellent?) ceptor pilot should be able to tackle a carrier that is ****-fit (t1 support drones only), ratting unaligned, not paying attention on local and intel channels - and hold it tackled for the whooping 60 seconds.
Crazy Vania wrote:Before Citadels, a combat fitted carrier could wipe me out in 10 seconds with a flight of 10-15 warriors.
Before Citadel, a carrier with whatever fit they could come up with, could do nothing to a half-decent interdictor. Now I get dry in a second even if it's 1x heavy neut and then die horribly in my own bubble. Doesnt look like it will change after this patch goes live, but I'm fine with that, just for the record. |
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